Peter, I think your game is to make the point about Concertgebouw musicians being enumerated in the context of being ranked as one of the best orchestras in the world and thus the salaries must competitively reflect that, realistically, within the context of the Dutch tax code and the local cost of living, and within a European context. And cost of living are anyway higher than in any other city in the Netherlands. The orchestra also serves as one of the opera orchestras for productions of the Dutch National Opera. In sports and entertainment, add in star value. Education K-12 could be free depending on if you have faith in your local public school. than a tutti and they have to play solos and they dont get free from smaller pieces like a piano concerto. Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra (Artist) Format: Audio CD -44% $3666 List Price: $65.99 See all formats and editions Audio CD $36.66 3 Used from $40.71 10 New from $36.66 Product details Language : English Product Dimensions : 1.18 x 5 x 5.67 inches; 10.58 Ounces Manufacturer : Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra Jrgen van Rijen (born 20 February 1975, Dordrecht) is Principal Trombone (jointly with Bart Claessens) at the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra (RCO) in Amsterdam. Of this, I give about 55% to the taxation office. They are opinions. Fame, quality, tours etc. I have been a member (tutti) for about twenty years. Bruto.) Amsterdam is also not cheap (new colleagues struggle to find an affordable place where they can live, and preferably practise), I feel that I am paying a big monetary price for the honour of playing in this famous orchestra, and if another band wants to appoint me that will reward me with better conditions (money isnt everything, but it helps to convince that lesser acoustics, possibly different conductors and what not might be worth the move), I will definitely consider it. It is accepted that string instruments (including bows, strings etc) GENERALLY cost substantially more than wind and brass instruments though there are occasionally exceptions. He also told me that the only time he received a salary was in one of the BBC orchestras, where his Principal fee in 1967-1970 was 140 a month. So, yes, by these standards, the RCO is underpaid and I encourage them to investigate ways of increasing their compensation, such as endowment and private annual funding. All the other arguments we all have back in the canteen, football players, surgeons, pilots that is not your game you should play and no politician or sponsor will take you serious on that, because THAT game means not only do you want to change the salaries of Concertgebouw musicians, but that you want to change the whole world. Sometimes they are compelled to use fairly modest ones, when they play in cities where prices rise during major festivals Edinburgh at Festival time comes immediately to mind. The Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra (Dutch: Koninklk Concertgebouworkest, pronounced [konnklk knsrtxburkst]) is a Dutch symphony orchestra, based at the Amsterdam Royal Concertgebouw (concert hall). Only the part of ones income that exceeds 70.000,- is taxed at 52%. Naja,als Beginner im Orchester kriegt man unter Umstnden deutlich weniger (z.B. Like Gerard Depardieu. It is or was on their digital concert hall. Here in France, most musicians supplement their income by teaching. Problem solved. Musicians. Two weeks ago The Kingdom was performed in Aachen. Then in the case of the players of reed instruments, (oboes, bassoons, clarinets) there is the no small matter of outlay on material and tools for creating reeds. Apologies for typos composing this on an iPhone at the Barbican. Munchner Philharoniker, Bayerisches Staatsorchester, Symphonie Orchestrer des Bayerischen Rundfunks. RT @Auditorium_ONL: #SoldOut Tonight @ConcertgbOrkest @paavo_jarvi @lisabatiashvili If Concertgebouw musicians are grossly under-compensated they can strike or take their talents to South Beach. I wonder how much do soprani get there , could someone give a hint ? When I was studying at the Guildhall School of Music (1972-1976) my teacher, a principal player in the LSO, told me that most London orchestral players were not paid regular salaries as such, but separate fees for concerts, rehearsals and recording sessions. In order for them to keep the level something must fundamentally change since they are loosing the battle for the best musicians to orchestras where they pay 3 to 4 times more and where the cost of living is 2 times lower. Select your subscription length below and head to the checkout: Please log in again. I would also like to know the salary of the Music Director. Another factor in creating the orchestra's distinct character is that the Concertgebouw Orchestra has had only eight chief conductors, setting it apart from orchestras of similar age and caliber. In the US, there is often the addition of enormous student loan debt to service. His name is on the list of LSO site but he is freelance? And the people wonder why, with fingers poised at their foreheads, people have tax minimization schemes. Riccardo Chailly made his debut with the Concertgebouw Orchestra in 1985, and was elected that year as their next chief conductor to succeed Haitink. Finnish conductor. I would like to bring the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra to Carnegie Hall in New York in November 2024, by supporting the orchestra with an annual donation for three years (2022, 2023, 2024) of: Global Friends ($ 2,000 - 4,999) Fellows ($ 5,000 - 9,999) Masters ($ 10,000 - 49,999) Other: Global Friends - $ 2,000 - 4,999 Its all supply and demand. Now more than ever, the Concertgebouw Orchestra needs your support, too. Founded in 1888 in Amsterdam, Netherlands, it was granted its royal status in 1988. I am definitely not old and for sure experienced, passionate and a good musician (I hope), but I should have realised this earlier perhaps, because some orchestras have age limits I think? This discussion has been archived and is no longer accepting responses. Does anyone have an idea of principal or sectional pay in Euro or know where I might . . The Koninklijk Concertgebouworkest (or Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra) is one of Europe's most famous symphony orchestras. SummerConcerts powered by VriendenLoterij - Each year in July and . For goodness sake, cant we accept that this issue is not two-sided. 23 finds a more-than-worthy soloist here in the great Mitsuko Uchida, world-renowned for her interpretations of Mozart and with excellent reason. [1] He is also a founding member of the Dutch trombone ensemble, New Trombone Collective, and Professor of Trombone at the Amsterdam Conservatory. Tutti players maybe more, but never like the Americans. 55% is an awfully high tax rate. Annoying, Von der Linde, that you are arguing with people without providing any numbers of your own. And to suggest that one pays 55% of taxes on an income like this, also false. . That has nothing to do with the salary. Extras are 1.000/year (before tax) for recordings and radio/tv things, 8% holiday money (of course that is taxed as well), per diem when on tour plus a small compensation. Concertgebouw info-line +31 20 6718345 daily 11 am - 5 pm (1 pay-per-call service if your call has been placed in the Netherlands) Free concerts Every Wednesday afternoon, an entry to a lunch concert is free. ==Leipzig Gewandhausorchester: 5,700 (principal 1,400). But well market forces and all that, And Ill just add: 6000 Euros seems to me to be a pretty good salary for the privilege of playing great music with great musicians with (sometimes) great conductors in one of the greatest concert halls in the world. Only in some cases these might not account for some pay rises due to seniority. Its time for the management to live up their promises, put the salaries on top of their prioritylist and care more about the inside than the outside of the orchestra. Thank you so much for the very interesting explanation! The masterpieces every music lover should know. In June 2022, the RCO announced the appointment of Mkel as an artistic partner for the period of 20222027, and subsequently as its next chief conductor, effective with the 20272028 season, with an initial contract of 5 years.[19][20]. [And almost all middle class households these days have a husband and a wife who both work, hence it is silly to only look at a single salary.]. is moot and makes you look a bit silly. The sound was always polished; Jansons' pacing was steady and sometimes just slow. The whole system in these countries is so different if you look to living costs (NY,LA etc), costs for your kids (schools and universities in Germany for example are nearly free and payed by the state),you will have Health insurance automaticaly and and and Since we have already Gtterdmmerung, who would need Das Reich? Hear the new Lulu DVD best ever of that amazing score. Remuneration in the very top US orchestras is a minimum of $150K, with some having private pensions of $80K on top of that, plus government Social Security. Out of 365 days, that isnt so bad for EUR 100.000. How many shifts a tutti player in Concertgebouw has to work for that per year? Pray, give us some examples of other highly skilled careers which make similar demands on their practitioners. Not really. Much tax and secureties have to be payed,so netto will be less!! Wirklich wunderschn. Other articles where Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra is discussed: Amsterdam: Cultural life: the home of the world-famous Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, and the Muziektheater, where the national ballet and opera companies perform. Cant resist the question: did you play Bruckner 9 or 8 under Wand (1998, 2000)? In general highly specialized top quality people earn more and in the Concertgebouw Orchestra its just not the case. You might be right that a salary increase is needed, but this is not because the musicians are not able to lead decent lives on this salary. Address Concertgebouw in Amsterdam Concertgebouwplein 2-6 1071 LN Amsterdam The Netherlands Its life style, family, other teaching/performance possibility prestige, conductor. Perhaps, but the claims about the tax rate above are plainly false. Cant tell you that, but a couple years ago the base salary for a player in the orchestra of a smallish metropolitan area in the eastern U.S. was reportedly $98,000 per year, and most members also taught on the side. The New York Philharmonic. Artistic employees of public-financed theaters and concert-houses (orchestra, choir, soloist-ensemble, actor-ensemble, ballett, dramaturgs) are subject of own tariff contracts, not of public-service salary tariff. Do pilots have to buy their own planes? I know its a very limited sample, but I recall seeing the LSO on a couple tv broadcasts within weeks of each other and they looked like two different orchestras. Since someone mentioned taxes to death up above, its worth mentioning that in major American orchestras, musicians are WORKED to death! The New York Philharmonic. [7] In September 2015, the orchestra announced a rapprochement with Haitink, with a scheduled guest-conducting engagement with the RCO in the 20162017 season. 55% to the taxation office!!!!!!!???????????? In a lot of cases yes! Guest conductors and soloists: $20 to $100K per week, depending on reputation and star power. Info & tickets. Most high level performers make their own, and do not usually rely on third parties to make them. Location: Decatur, Georgia. More recently, Nikolaus Harnoncourt served as Honorary Guest Conductor of the RCO, beginning in 2000, and leading his final performance with the RCO in October 2013. It is true that one gets vacation money, or a 13th paycheck, but they grab most of it back. Address Barbican Centre Silk Street, London EC2Y 8DS Public transport The Barbican is widely accessible by bus, tube, train and by foot or bicycle. I didnt mean that in the literal sense of course but just to paint the difference in payment and quality. -no tolls on highways No matter how one slices it, its a better salary. After logging in you can close it and return to this page. Im not saying its huge, Im just saying that many people live more then decent lives with much less, also in and near Amsterdam. The New York Philharmonic. A non trumpet friend of mine is thinking about taking an audition for the Royal Concertgebouw. So, I just wanted to point out that 1) the statement that they earn very little, or even close to minimum wage is false and 2) that the issues about property markets have little to do with RCO salaries because Amsterdam is expensive for almost anyone. Income below that is taxed at lower rates (between 37 and 41 percent). Im sympathetic with you, the salary for Concertgebouw should be more competitive. Leipzig, Gewandhaus zu Leipzig. FYI: Most US orchestras pay for healthcare insurance on top of salaried compensation in addition to providing a pension for their musicians (separate from and in addition to any government benefits such as Social Security). One day the phone rang: it was the Elgar Society. People paid much less (like myself) have nothing to complain about in terms of standards of living. Remaining 10% will be due to illness, vacancies, increased orchestration(larger percussion etc) so the public are getting the LSO! Eduard van Beinum (1900-1959) introduced Bruckner's symphonies and French music.