No explanation given. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours WebIn burst a group of men and women with their guns drawn. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. Whatever the truth is. Exactly What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). And Patricia wasnt all edges. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. I dont think so. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. Combination locks. It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father Required fields are marked *. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. It has very bad energy. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Probably by the jeans and the boots. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. Search is on. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Its totally irrelevant. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. "Yaser Said, you're a devil. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Prosecutor pounds away. False. According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. "This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part. By signing up you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, Stand with us in our mission to discover and uncover the story of North Texas, Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing teen daughters in Irving in 2008, Irving man admits to harboring fugitive father accused of murdering teenage daughters, A day after powerful thunderstorms, North Texas surveys the damage, 3 children killed, 2 wounded at Ellis County home; suspect in custody, How a Texas districts reaction to school shooting fears highlights discipline concerns, Carrollton man advertised pills on social media to entice teens to buy fentanyl, feds say. WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with She hadn't lived long enough.". Perhaps that would lessen your fright. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Thank you and well said. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. Its never been made clear. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Highly charged case. Blasczyk said she is pleased with the outcome of the case. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. Stop it.. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. I very much doubt you are. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Yaser Abdel Said, 63, was arrested Wednesday by agents in the small town of Justin, about 36 miles northwest of Dallas, officials said. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Her mother was married to my uncle. Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. The trial was taking so much of my time. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. There are innocent people in prison. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. I wanted to get out of there.. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? You are absolutely right. Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Amina two bullets in the heart.". We really thought she was dead all those years. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. You know whats interesting? I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. None. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. I am sorry it ever happened at all.". Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Have a tip we should know? Did you personally attend the trial? Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. How would an intruder find it? It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. This story has been shared 114,982 times. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Claps! The state police dropped him as a suspect. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. When they were getting ready to drive away, a police car pulled up behind them and checked their car. Media galore. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. And shes were so happy. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. The womans whereabouts were relayed to law enforcement in Ross Township last year, Deputy Chief Brian Kohlhepp said. In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony.