He is the older brother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and a former Marine and salesman. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. And you dont know what the Sam Hill is going on?, I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. After Lee's return, approximately two weeks, in the latter part of June 1962, he gets a call from one of the FBI agents -- I believe that was Mr. Fain -- in wanting to have a meeting with him. If they didnt know who worked for them, he could always say he worked for them; he was in control of the FBI then. He wasn't present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. But he became disgusted with it and started rebelling against it, because he wanted to go back to a more independent attitude. This is mind over heart. I recently spoke with Mr. Savodnik over the phone about his book. [To those who say,] "He didn't own a rifle." When you learned he had defected, did you have any explanation? What do you do with his pistol? No. , Finally, I guess, I couldnt stand it anymore. I asked him about this lawyer in New York and I told him I would get him one down here, meaning in Texas. This is mind over heart. This montage of early 1990s television specials was curated by the JFK Assassination Forum. They wasn't going to convince him to say something. They've got your pistol. [Last Name] 1 Dawson C. Mills [4/26/2017] Ghosts of Mississippi Essay Late on the night of June 13th 1963, Myrlie Evers and her three children were together in the bedroom watching President ( at the time ) John F. Kennedy give a speech on civil rights. Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. The Cold War was going on. You've got all the physical evidence that ties together. Arriving in Moscow on October 16, he declared that he wished to renounce his U.S. citizenship and become a Soviet national. He only had the Marxist argot. She clearly saw in Oswald a ticket to ride, an opportunity to leave Russia. tapes & transcripts+credits+privacy policy Finally, I guess, I couldn't stand it anymore. Did he evince any sort of sophisticated understanding of Marxism or communism, or of the Soviet Union in general, before he left for Russia? When Lee came back to Fort Worth, what kind of spirits was he in, and what kind of hopes did he have for his new life here? I mean, they had asked the wrong man. He wanted to get his manuscript published if anybody was interested. Mobile users: Watch the archive video by clicking here. So, to me, that was his back-up plan if everything else failed. He was just out of the Marine Corps. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. This was his grand experience at the time. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that they're moving to Dallas. , I think Ive come to an understanding of Lee that I have now that I didnt, of course I mean, I watched the deterioration of a human being. Included is an interview with Abraham Zapruder, the clothing manufacturer and amateur moviemaker who shot the now . This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" It sounds like Oswald's disillusionment stemmed as much from personal as political reasons. Historically in his life, it was always done by himself. As I learned later on, he's becoming very belligerent to Mother. FRONTLINE+wgbh+pbsi, web site copyright 1995-2014 The two-hour documentary special traces Oswald's life from his boyhood to that fateful day in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, posing a number of questions: Was Oswald the emotionally disturbed "lone. Hallo Bestemming kiezen Alle. Jolly West visited Jack Ruby in jail and gave him an injection and soon after Ruby died from rapid cancer, Jack was also a patsy! December 4, 1963: In an interview Lee Harvey Oswald's mother, Marguerite Oswald, says assumes her son is innocent and that President John F. Kennedy would be alive and so would her son if Oswald . I don't know at what age Mother verbalized the effect that she felt he was a burden to her. Uploaded by . Why was he asking for this lawyer, John Abt, up in New York? Although that was Marguerite Oswald's first network television interview in many years, we were not the first journalists to speak with her. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. . . The continuity there, the lack of stability, I think, entered into that to a large degree. They've gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. One in this documentary series. What would have been the appeal to him about something like Marxism? He wanted to be an American, to be accepted by the American society, and so wherever he was he wanted to be accepted. In 1977, McMillan wrote Marina and Lee, an intimate portrait of the Oswalds' life together. With each failure to settle in, with each failure to secure a job or hold onto that job, with each failure to secure an apartment or placate his wife, to build any kind of life with each failure, his internal pressure mounts. FRONTLINE reports from Iraq on the miscalculations and mistakes behind the brutal rise of ISIS. About October 1962 things were not going along too good. At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I dont know. What did he have in the back of his mind? FRONTLINE+wgbh+pbsi, web site copyright 1995-2014 The Soviets executed him on May 17, 1963. What was going on there? Sat, Feb 25, 2023 LOGIN Subscribe for $1 He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when hes coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. Hes failing in his marriage and in his attempts to do whatever he wants to do. The first thing he says is and he points to it Its tapped. I tell him it may or may not be. Our mother was Lee's most important person in his life. Selecteer de afdeling waarin je wilt zoeken. The shooting was broadcast live nationally, and millions of television viewers witnessed it. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. He planned by himself, he executed by himself, he failed by himself. I mean, you're his brother; you would want to believe more than anyone. I couldnt believe it. When he returned to the United States, he didn't want to be a Russian. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions that they were having an argument. He was whats convenient to be. They didn't know for sure if he was an agent or not. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? He toyed with people like that. Buscar Amazon.es. Plus, Bob Schieffer remembers his own run-in. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with the first broadcast of FRONTLINE's "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?". He had the superficialities of radicalism, but that's what appealed to him: the sense of belonging, of being very serious. ", I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. I said, "If that never came about, if you didn't really betray the country and you only attempted to do it -- and they didn't let you do it anyway -- legally, then it seems to me you have a basis." Account en lijsten Retourzendingen en . I'm talking about the police officer being shot and the president. There is no question in my mind that Lee was responsible for the three shots fired, two of the shots hitting the president and killing him. For this 2003 publication of the interview, Mr. Blakey has added a notation to those questions touching on the CIA, and refers the reader to a long addendum at the end of the interview that reflects his opinion on the CIA in light of current revelations. To me, you cant reach but one conclusion. Five or six eyewitnesses there. He says that the "hard physical evidence" from the assassination leads him to one conclusion: "The Warren Commission was correct." By Melissa De Witte Those alive when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963, remember where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news the president had been shot. What do you say to people who are so convinced or are trying to believe in his innocence? I asked him, I said, "Lee, what in the Sam Hill is going on?" We had an old black-and-white. Also, he was put into an apartment that was a short walk from the Institute for Foreign Languages in Minsk, where one would meet girls who were studying English and were interested in foreigners, and were probably more adventurous, you might say. If they didn't know who worked for them, he could always say he worked for them; he was in control of the FBI then. He would awaken relatively early in his apartment, and he would walk about eight minutes to the radio factory where he worked in the experimental department, and he probably would have been there until late afternoon or early evening, ate dinner, he might have read a good bit -- he was fond of reading -- visited friends, gone to the conservatory or the opera, which was a short walk away from his apartment, and he probably would have retired early. She has no control over him. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? If we go and get right down to the bottom line, we have to say, really and truly, in all candor, [she did] a lousy job, a lousy job. That's almost unbelievable. Explore FRONTLINEs collected and ongoing reporting on Russia's war on Ukraine. Theres another seed thats planted in him that stayed there forever. But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. He is the older brother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and a former Marine and salesman. Lee Harvey Oswald lived just a few minutes away from Walker in Dallas in a rented duplex that he shared with his wife Marina and their baby girl. Learn more It's cable reimagined No DVR space. Lee's trying. I think this was passed on to Lee. What he did after he left the building is known: bus ride, taxi ride, boardinghouse, pick up the pistol, leave, shoot the police officer. What did he do? But you go back to the death of Dad two months before he was born, thats a tremendous impact. Did she let you know and did she let him know that the kids were a burden? The result of the whole mismanagement was Lees death. Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasn't necessarily anything they'd be interested in. When he first approached the divided cubicles and I picked up the telephone on my side, he picked up his. Soviet officials, puzzled by the sight of Oswald, sent him to Minsk, where he would live until 1962, returning to the United States with a wife and infant daughter, along with a murderous rage that will culminate in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Ga naar primaire content.nl. He's failing at almost every level. They even asked me if Id ever been an agent of the federal government or the CIA. I said, What did you tell them? He says, Well, dont you know? and he just laughed. When Lee came back, how did he react to visits from the FBI when they came and saw him here? How can you explain one without the other? Hed actually applied for Albert Schweitzers school in Switzerland, and been accepted for that summertime or fall semester. The appeal to Lee of something like that Marxism, communism, socialism, would be something unique, something different not [an] everyday occurrence. In comparison to yourself, what was Lee missing from his childhood? He's thinking about going to Cuba. He seemed to really get involved with it and hang onto it after the programs were over. Lee had high hopes when he first got back as to what he was going to do. What Lee missed from his childhood in comparison to me was the whole family being together all the time. We were a burden. So he thought hed get a post office box that would be a permanent-type thing. . The Dallas Police Department was utter chaos. It was a game to him. Definitely not. You can't set that aside just because he is saying, "I'm a patsy." Interview: Gerald Posner. What do you do with his rifle? At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I don't know. Thats almost unbelievable. Here was a start. You look at that last year his work, and his family, trying to go to Cuba, trying to go back to Russia. WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. What attracted her to Oswald and why did she come back with him to the United States? In 1966, Marguerite Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald's mother gave an exclusive interview to radio talk show host, Bob Allen. LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S COMPLETE AUGUST 1963 WDSU-TV INTERVIEW David Von Pein's JFK Channel 44.3K subscribers Subscribe 415 71K views 9 years ago Three months before he assassinated President. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? If it was any other murder case other than the president of the United States, it would have been resolved right then. What would it be? About October 1962 things were not going along too good. It's good that people raise questions and say, "Wait a minute, let's take a second look at this." And why it wasnt stopped sooner. He moves into his own apartment and everything. Conspiracy theories point to purported inconsistencies in the events of Nov. 22, 1963, and in the evidence collected against Oswald. What do you do with his actions? It just floors me, it floored me then. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. He just wanted to see what he could do about getting it done. It was a terrible thing to look at. You see him for a few days when he gets out [of the Marines]. It maybe opened up some doors for him. It maybe opened up some doors for him. . When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. That influence was just tremendous on him. On Nov. 22, [1963] it went way downhill. Youve got the backyard picture. He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasnt. They even asked me if I'd ever been an agent of the federal government or the CIA." Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. It just didn't fit. Those are the indications that say he took some thought, some planning over a long period of time. He was on his own in libraries. Initially, when we started talking, I was concerned about his bruises on his face that he had received at his capture at the Texas theater. It didn't seem like a big deal. We'll look into it.". I think that, more than anything, sheds a spotlight on the one-dimensionality of his ideological commitments, as it were. [37]Within hours of Ruby's arrest for shooting Oswald, a telegram was received at the Dallas city jail in support of Ruby, under the names of Hal and Pauline Collins. He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasn't. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. FRONTLINE is a registered trademark of WGBH Educational Foundation. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? We talked about this at a great length during that first week. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Well, he went to do the things he always liked to do -- got to the movies if he had the money, go to the library and read if he didn't have it. Documenting evidence of potential war crimes in Ukraine. Everything is deteriorating. People ought to take note of this, that he should be interesting. If it was any other murder case other than the president of the United States, it would have been resolved right then. He played an awful lot of hooky up there. Of course, we can't extricate ourselves permanently or perfectly from wherever it is we come from, no matter how much we try, and we are always functions of our place, even if we wish not to be. It's there; put it to rest. He had the presence of mind then to do that. Hes thinking about going to Cuba. True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but his presence in the building was there. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. How would he have reacted to that? In many respects, once he got beyond the superficialities, he found the actual substance, the content, the experience of communism and the Soviet Union very difficult to navigate. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. He had acquired the vernacular of radical politics. We were a burden. His sense of dislocation, of alienation -- this sense that he's in the wrong place. Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation. And so the Marines, and then later the Soviet Union, should be viewed as an attempt by Oswald to find structure, to find place. Well look into it.. Theyre not progressing at the speed I think he wants to progress. As things progressed down the line the job didn't work out. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? It's about escaping the status quo and achieving some kind of greatness, as it were. Lee and Marina were having difficulties, just by being together -- I guess by being put in new circumstances and everything. Definitely not. Tell me about his interest in the television show "I Led Three Lives" and what that says about him and his imagination. He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. Thats the way I read him at the time. Photographs and documents also are on display. There's another seed that's planted in him that stayed there forever. Whereas Ella was rather innocent and timid and curious and prone to a kind of girlishness, Marina was anything but that. I wasn't real sure what the explanation was. As opposed to seeing the Kennedy assassination as the way we ought to see it: as one of the great public tragedies of the twentieth century. A flat-screen TV plays interviews with Paine about Marina, Lee Harvey, Paine's grief about the assassination and the terrible aftermath. He had alluded to some relationships when he was in the Marines, but as far as anyone knows there was no girlfriend, or no evidence of a girlfriend, there was just some kind of bravado or talk. The jobs not doing that good. He's going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. Lee. That distinction belongs to my CBS colleague Bob. I didnt press it any further. What kind of a Marxist was he? However, Bolinas author Josiah Thompson says he has answered one very important question. She had been overbearing or whatever. ", He is the older brother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and a former Marine and salesman. That was it. FRONTLINE reports from Iraq on the miscalculations and mistakes behind the brutal rise of ISIS. Did she let you know and did she let him know that the kids were a burden? They didnt finalize that. Oswald met Marina in March of 1961, and he immediately sees in Marina the antidote to Ella German, who had really broken his heart. The Hartford Files Hes getting a better opportunity, he thinks, in Dallas, because its a bigger job market over there than what Fort Worth was at the time. Well, he went to do the things he always liked to do got to the movies if he had the money, go to the library and read if he didnt have it. Every move is prompted by one of his mother Marguerite's failures -- personal, professional, or otherwise. He could be somebody from New York that knew a lot of things, somebody that could get around be somebody else. Saturday, Nov. 23, 1963. Im talking about the police officer being shot and the president. It seemed like we were never in a location [more than] six or seven months, maybe a year at the most. It just floors me, it floored me then. And not only that, but it offered immediate salvation, or immediate asylum. LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.es: Libros. I dont know. So he's very upbeat up on it. This edition focuses on accused John F. Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, wondering whether he was a "lone gunman, conspirator, or patsy." . Once again, it's just a continual cycle, and it starts downhill. The third thing was he wanted to look into his dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps, because he felt like that was unwarranted because, i.e., he was released with honorable conditions. Hed made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. Later in the day, after driving into town with his two pet dogs and sending an emergency money order to one of his employees, Ruby walked to the nearby police headquarters, where he made his way to the basement via the Main Steet ramp. He said no, that wasn't necessary, he could take care of it. I struggled through about 10 or 15 pages of it. NARRATOR: Within two hours, the police had arrested 24-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald. Oswald refused to talk to anyone at the U.S. embassy. What was his concern? Hola Elige tu direccin Libros. I dont know at what age Mother verbalized the effect that she felt he was a burden to her. But a new book from world-renowned JFK assassination researcher Josiah "Tink" Thompson comes to a shocking different conclusion: Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire the fatal shot that killed. New York City. This type of thing would interest him, whether he went to an art museum or a library or a movie theater or just walked around and saw sights. The main thing was getting a job and a manuscript. His fellow Marines called him Oswaldskovich, because he never shut up about his admiration for communism or the Soviet Union. Its there; put it to rest. He wasnt present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. He imagined himself taking part in something bold and totally separate from anything he had come from. I don't know how you want to express it, but that's the way he characterized her at the time. The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasnt to me, it gets down to what happened later on. What did he say, and what were you trying to get out of him? No, he was a superficial Marxist. Convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Oswald offers details in this interview about Lee's formative years and young adult life, and. I think it's fair to say the Kennedy assassination had very little to do with John F. Kennedy. Oswald grew up in very trying circumstances in the early part of his life. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? [He wanted to] get established and start the American life, live the American dream. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions that they were having an argument. In this interview, Posner talks . Maybe the next time he went to the library, he would follow up on it, and say Well, lets really see what this is about. That to me is very plausible for him to do. Walker and, still chewing his cigar, Detective Paul Bentley, on Nov. 22, 1963. This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, "Me, myself and I will do something.". And in this place, he would join this much larger-than-life cause, and he would break permanently with the United States, and he would live happily every after in the Soviet Union. He said no, that wasnt necessary, he could take care of it. Hes going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. It was a terrible thing to look at. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. I said, "We can look into it. We talked about family matters. . He didnt elaborate on that. And by the time we get to late 1960, he's beginning to think that maybe he's made a mistake -- he's not quite sure, but he's thinking that. You look at the factual data, you look at the rifle, you look at the pistol ownership, you look at his note about the Walker shooting. In the Soviet Union, he was a celebrity, at least for a little while. Nobody was telling him whether this was good, bad or indifferent, or what the consequences of what his actions were. Theyve got the camera. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that theyre moving to Dallas. I mean, I watched the deterioration of a human being. Were talking seven, eight, nine, 10 years old. . He says, "Well, don't you know?" That's where he started doing a lot of reading and everything. Three months before he assassinated President John F. Kennedy, 23-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald was interviewed a total of three times on radio and television in New Orleans, Louisiana.The attention Oswald received was undoubtedly due to the fact that the media considered him to be a very odd and unusual character. Posner also discusses the actions, motivations and mob connections of Jack Ruby, who murdered Oswald. One individual gave him a letter saying he could speak and write Russian at a particular level that he thought was real good. I didnt know but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. Living in Fort Worth, TV was making its debut. In a private note to one of his attorneys, Joseph Tonahill, Ruby wrote: \"Joe, you should know this. He is the author of the 1981 book, The Plot To Kill the President, and in the late 1960s he campaigned for and helped write much of the anti-racketeering legislation that would usher in the demise of the Mafia. Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? He would tolerate anything for a little bit. . PBS is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization. I said, "What did you tell them?" But Lee had that same personality type. Show more Comments are turned off. ISIS is in Afghanistan, But Who Are They Really? He never did answer. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. She shared her viewpoints as to whether Oswald was guilty, whether he was a government agent and, whether he was pro or against Castro among others. Visitors can watch a large bank of television sets recalling the Kennedy assassination and Lee Harvey Oswald's capture. I think it says that he is very pragmatic, and he's going to go with the punches. A former litigator, Posner is a fulltime investigative writer. Theyve gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. Whats the best answer you come to for yourself regarding his motive? So it's not surprising that after just a few months, he began to grow tired of it. He was, in fact, an American citizen all the time, and still had the rights of the American citizen. Tragically, he accomplished that. He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. After obtaining a hardship discharge from the Marines, Lee Harvey Oswald left the United States for the Soviet . He toyed with the interrogators down at the Dallas police station, all that weekend [after the assassination]. on May 8, 2016. The result of the whole mismanagement was Lee's death. What do you do with his rifle? Lee Harvey Oswald did not have any particular animus for John F. Kennedy. But then, Oct. 31, we hear that he's in Russia. Funding for FRONTLINE is provided through the support of PBS viewers and by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. It was always separation, separation, separation. Lees trying. He was on his own in libraries. This type of thing would interest him, whether he went to an art museum or a library or a movie theater or just walked around and saw sights. He was relaxed, but at about the second day, he starts talking about where hes going. You'll receive access to exclusive information and early alerts about our documentaries and investigations. Lee had high hopes when he first got back as to what he was going to do. This would have to be at the federal level. It seemed like we were never in a location [more than] six or seven months, maybe a year at the most. His wife is trying to have a second child born in Russia. After obtaining a hardship discharge from the Marines, Lee Harvey Oswald left the United States for the Soviet Union in 1959.