WebSecond, it is Fundamental. No one is "born into the church." People can ask for clarification if they want. Thats sweet. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). Thanks for reading! This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. 10. around the world wherever our Lord directs. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Many of these are down right untruthful . Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? Hypocrites! Stil fit. Ive addressed the scriptures about tithing in my article and explain it using proper exegesis and hermeneutics. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. Wherever there are people, there is sin. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. 3. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. 43. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. 1. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. 9. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. 2. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. Read Matthew 23 for more information. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? 36. Basically he was just marketing for his college. Yes, see my answer to your first question. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. What a stupid thing to say. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? 4. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). LOL. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. How will you escape the judgment of hell? 21. Or deciding not to clap for special music? Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. Your happy mega churches do too. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. We believe in the natural divisions of Scriptures as a basis for study. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. I have no position or opinion of this The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. 11. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith 16. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. 53. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. WebGetting to it. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. I truly dont understand this one, ha! If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. The church never knew our problems but god did. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. We had no money.. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. 24. What an extensive list. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. Mind your own business. That apparently is what Christ would do. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. Thanks. 35. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! 14. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). Wow, nice list. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. This is very good. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. Wow. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. I must put it in Jesus Christ. G. M. Matheny. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. Praise the lord for forgiveness. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. All I do is reply to comments. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. 42. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. God forgave because Jesus saved. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). The IFB are Pharisees of our day. If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? They are counting on your service and tithe. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. Ephesians 2:8-9 If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. No one knew about the marriage except us. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. 2. I prefer Kjv! This is an assumption.. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. The New Testament church should be an independent church. I dont see how. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Great job adding a bit of levity! We will never attain that on this side. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. Its my calling and my ministry. No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. Does the lord convict me when I miss? Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). People need Jesuswhats the big deal? I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets..